Wednesday, January 18, 2023

Week 3: Out of Place (52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks – 2023 Version)

The theme for Week 3 is "Out of Place." Have you ever found an ancestor in an unexpected location? What about finding a record someplace that surprised you? Or what about that one great-great-uncle who moved out West when everyone else in the family stayed put? This is a good week to write about them. Click here to check out all the Themes for 2023!

This week, I have decided to select my 2nd great grandfather, Seymour L Hiltz. Thus, I have posted this week theme under my Hilts and Hiltz cousin Blog. You will notice that the Hiltz surname changes between Hilts and Hiltz. Thus, I use the spelling I find on documents and I am not consistent in using one spelling or another. 

Seymour Hiltz was born about 1850 in Manlius, Onondaga, New York, USA the son of Lawrence Hilts and his wife Nancy. I first find Seymour living with his parents and some siblings in 1855 in Manlius, Onondaga, New York. He is listed as 5 years old and has siblings, Catherine who is 17, George who is 15 and Uriah who is 12. 

In 1860, the family moved to Jefferson, Jefferson County, Wisconsin. George and Uriah are with the family and Seymour is listed as Orville L on the census along with Julius Benson age 5 and Mary E age 3. The transcription for this census list Benson as the last name for both Julius and Mary E, however I think Benson is really a middle name for Julius. Unless, Julius and Mary are really a Benson, perhaps a daughter’s child. I do match some of Julius’s descendants DNA wise.

By 1870, Lawrence, Seymour and Julius are living in Turtle, Rock County, Wisconsin. I don’t find Nancy or Mary at this point. This is my first “Out of Place” occurrence on this branch.

On Nov 5, 1872, Seymour marries Wilina Ellen Booth in Ripon, Fond du Lac County, Wisconsin. 

On the 1875 Wisconsin State Census, S Hiltz is living in the city of Ripon with another male and one female. The male is their son, Orville Charles Hiltz who was born Jul 28, 1873 in Ripon, Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.

In 1880, they are found in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois in the US Census. Seymour, his wife Willenny, son Charles O and daughter Mabel E along with his sister-in-law, Wilina’s sister Lois E Tenant. 

On Sep 8, 1883, I find a birth certificate for an unnamed male, the son of Seymour Hiltz and Wilina Booth. This birth record, lists his other living siblings as Orville and Mabel.

By 1900, I don’t find either, Seymour or Wilina. I do find Orville, my great grandfather, being single, living with his married sister, Mabel and her in-laws. Thus, I wonder if perhaps both Seymour and Wilina are deceased.

I find a marriage record from the City of Ripon, Fond du Lac County, Wisconsin on July 27th 1890 between Mrs. Nettie Hilts (my Wilina) and George Pansie. Mrs. Nettie Hilts is listed as divorced. Once I found this record, I found Nellie Pansie’s death record and she died Jun 1, 1898 and is buried in Nekimi, Winnebago County, Wisconsin. 

An article appeared in The Daily Northwestern (Oshkosh, Wisconsin), Jan 13, 1903 on page 3 that was titled “Was Mourned as Dead”.

A letter was received in Ripon, Wisconsin, address to Wilina’s sister and signed by Seymour Hilts. He wrote, “Can you give me any information regarding my wife and children? I am the owner of a large cattle ranch in the Black hills, with 1,600 head of cattle and am drawing $125 a month as superintended of construction of a new road just building, and am anxious to communicate with my wife and children.” 

The letter was forward to his daughter, Mabel, Mrs. W.G. Buehring in Oshkosh, Winnebago County, Wisconsin. The article stated that the letter was received after Hilts had absented himself from his family for a period of twenty-one years. Several years ago a report of his death was received by his family, so that the receipt of the letter in question came like a message from the grave. 

The letter asked for an immediate reply, which was sent by Mable. However, the letter was returned to her unopened and the man who seemed to have been resurrected from the dead to his family was again lost. 

In the story, Mable stated that 21 years ago, Seymour Hilts, a cooper residing at Traverse City, Michigan and his wife had some difficulty and his wife left him temporarily. She went to live with her sister. After a time, her husband wrote a letter to her asking her to come back to him. The wife agreed to do this provided he would agree to take good care of her and the two children. No reply was received to the letter and the man dropped from sight, leaving the mother with two children.

Thus, this occurred about 1882 and the previous birth record was from 1883. So, this child is still “out of place” and paternity might be the reason for not finding the child living with his mother. Was he given up to someone else? Did he die? This is still an unanswered question.

The article stated that the mother (Wilina) struggled along for a time alone and then secured a divorce from her husband upon the grounds of desertion and remarried.  Several years after her second marriage, Mrs. Hilts heard from the mother of Hilts that he had died and that a letter had been sent to her asking whether she would send money to have the remains taken to her home. Since the mother was unable to get money and the man was mourned as dead. 

Therefore, Nancy Hilts, mother of Seymour Hilts appeared to have been alive around 1894. 

The letter from Seymour was received in Ripon around July of 1902 and was written from the Belle Fourche, South Dakota Hotel, using the hotel stationery. Several replies were sent to the hotel. After those letters came back undelivered, Mabel contacted the postmaster of Belle Fourche who stated that a man giving his name as S Hilts left Belle Fourche for Deadwood, asking that all mail addressed to him be forwarded there. The postmaster wrote to Deadwood and several postmasters in that vicinity and all replied that they do not know of such a man. The postmaster believes that perhaps Mr. Hilts has been living under some other name. 

Mabel suspected that her father may have died since writing the letter as her mother-in-law remembers reading in some paper of the death of a man named Hilts in South Dakota. However, she can’t remember when, how or where or what the first name was. 

If he was still living, he would only be about 54 years old. 

Thus, in this small family, I have been unable to find where Nancy Hilts went to in 1870, since she is not with her husband or sons. Nancy appears to be alive around 1894 and had contact with her daughter-in-law.

As for the child Mary who would be 13 in 1870, I find a Mary age 13 living with Catherine Hiltz Babcock and her husband, Joseph. Since Catherine and Joseph were only married in 1861, this makes Mary 4 years old when Catherine and Joseph were married. Is Mary a child from Joseph, possibly a first marriage? Is Mary actually Catherine’s child? Or is Mary living with her sister to help around the house since they have a 1-year-old child? Since the 1870 US census doesn’t list relationship to the head of household, we can’t be certain that Mary’s last name is Babcock even though this is how it is listed on the census. I have been unable to find Mary Babcock in 1880, perhaps she married? A family history book does show that Joseph was first married to Harriet Colvin, however, doesn't show any children with his first wife.  Thus, Mary Babcock might be a different Mary then the one in the 1860’s census living with Lawrence and Nancy Hilts.

I also, don’t find Lawrence Hilts after 1880. 

Seymour is the main mystery in this story. His disappearance, reappearance and repeat disappearance has cost me many hours of research to no avail. 

Remember to have fun and Just do Genealogy!

 

Monday, August 29, 2022

Week 35: Free Space (52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks)

Amy Johnson Crows’ Week 35's theme is "Free Space." I intended for this to be a week for you to choose whatever you want to write about. (Though that's true every week!) But also feel free to riff off of the theme -- maybe an ancestor who went West for land, going to a family vacation spot, or a bingo-playing ancestor? Have fun with this theme! Click here to check out all the themes for 2022.

This week I have decided to write about a family line I am struggling with. Since I have a dedicated blog for my Hilts/Hiltz branch, I have decided this is where I will write this week's post.


My maternal grandmother was a Hiltz. I am able to trace her line back relatively easy for a few generations. A cousin many, many years ago, created a site on “MyFamily” for the Hilts/Hiltz of the United States and Canada. She gave me what my line back to our common immigrant ancestor is. The problem, I am unable to prove this line. I can prove the children of our immigrant ancestor and a few generations going down, I can prove my Maternal grandmother up a few generations, however it’s the generations in the middle that causing me problems.

I have lots of DNA matches to Hilts/Hiltz descendants. However, according to the tree my cousin created, these matches should be more remotely related, I don’t understand why we have so much shared DNA. 

Another problem was a book my cousin mentioned titled “Godfrey Hilts and his Canadian Descendants” compiled by Charlotte Hilts Steele and Harry Doner. I wanted to get my hands on a copy of this book and no one seemed to have one. Luckily, the Family History Library in Salt Lake City had one and I was able to view it and take pictures of the pages for my reference. The University of Wisconsin also has a copy of this book and now that I relocated back to my home state, I was able to reference the book again for pages that were a little blurry from my picture taking.

This book is about the descendants of Godfrey Hilts and Maria Miller. First thing I noticed is that Godfrey and Maria birth and death dates were very similar to my Lorentz Hiltz and Maria Miller. My Lorentz Hiltz supposedly married twice, first to Maria and then to Barbara. What always puzzled me was my Lorentz Hilts, who was a revolutionary patriot and according to his Pension record, he only had two sons, Lorentz and Christian. However, my tree has 7 children by the two wives. 

The book doesn’t have Godfrey Hilts parents listed, however my inherited tree has him as the son of Christofel Hilts. Also, a lot of my DNA matches appear to be descendants of Godfrey Hilts and thus this makes me wonder if my branch is in the wrong place. 

Another book I have been referencing is “Early Families of Herkimer County New York, Descendants of the Burnetsfield Palatines” written by William V.H. Barker. This book also has Godfrey and his wife Maria along with my Lorentz Hilts with the two wives. This might be where my cousin found her original information.  

Perhaps my Hilts/Hiltz DNA comes from a case of two Hilts/Hiltz descendants marrying and I descend from this relationship. 

One thing I know for certain; Godfrey and My Lorentz Hilts are not the same person. Lorentz and Barbara were sponsors for Godfrey’s son, Stophel.

Every time I revisit this branch, my head hurts, my eyes get blurry and the room starts to spin. Seriously, this puzzle is one that keeps me up at night because I know the answer is some where among the books, the documents, the DNA matches and I just can’t seem to see it. It doesn’t help that they keep repeating names. 

I am going to stop complaining here and go back to looking at this puzzle a little more.

Remember to have fun and Just do Genealogy!


Monday, February 18, 2019

Children of Godfrey Hilts and Maria Miller


Continuing with the book “Godfrey Hilts and his Canadian Descendants” complied by Charlotte Hilts Steel and Harry Doner assisted by Many others © 197? – 1985?, starting on Page 10, the authors are surprised that Rev. Rosencrantz kept the church records in Latin. He was fond of putting a Latin ending on names. The parents’ names are spelled Godfried Hiels and Maria.

In the “Compendium of Early Mohawk Valley Families”  Volume I by Maryly B. Penrose ©1990 and Published by the Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., on page 374, I find a listing for Hiels, Godfried and Maria as follows:

  • Jacobus, b: 10 Sept 1778 bapt: 22 Sept 1778 with Jacob Kesslar & Elizabeth as sponsors.  Jacobus birth date in the Compendium matches what is listed in the Hilts book.
  • Stophel, b: 17 Jun 1783 bapt: 24 Jul 1783 with Lorentz Hiels & Babara as sponsors.  Stophel birth date also matches the Hilts book and they noted that Stophel is German for Christopher.


The Hilts book also listed
  • Elizabeth b: 6 Jan 1781
  • Frederick b: 16 Dec 1785
  • Anna Margreth b: 15 Dec 1787
  • Twins: Godfried and Catherina 23 Sept 1790
  • George b: 7 Aug 1793 (The author’s noted that this is the last of the family recorded. There is a lapse in the church register from early 1795 to 1811.
  • John b: 19 Jan 1795 (Per the author’s: This is from an old Bible owned by Canadians. In his land petition, John declared he was the son of Godfrey).

In the “Early Families of Herkimer County New York; Descendants of the Burnetsfield Palatines” by William V.H. Barker © 1986 and Published by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., on page 135

+4439: pr. Godfrid b: say 1744; m: 1777 Maria Miller is the son of 4424: Christofel Hilts; grandson of 4403: Simon Jacob Hilts (Jacob Sr.); great grandson of 4401: Stofel or Christopher Hilts our immigrant ancestor.

On page 138:

4439: GODFRID HILTS – pr. Born ca 1744 to 1754; died Markham (Ontario) Canada 1835; m 1777 MARIA MILLER (d ca 1801) daughter of FREDERICK MILLER & MARIA EVA (Mr. Hugh Hilts Notes). Descendant traditions are that Godfrid’s family was captured and massacred abut 1756, and that he was raised for some time by the Indians. By 1766 Godfrid was a sponsor, with Maria Helmer, for bp of Maria Riegel and he was again a sponsor for 1768 bp of Godfrid, son of Christian Riegel & Margaret. In 1778 he and his wife Maria sponsored bp of Maria, dau of Melchior Thum & Elisabeth. Was on 1790 HK census (1-3-3). In 1800 Godfrid sold Glens Purchase lot #26, in the Schellsbush area of Herkimer, and ca 1801-02 he moved to Canada. (In the Compendium, I have Godfried Hiels & Maria as sponsors for Lorentz, born 28 Jun 1778, son of Hiels, Lorentz & Catharina who was baptized 12 July 1778.)

+4483: Jacob b 10 Sep 1779 (sp. Jac. Kessler & Elis. <pr. Miller>
4484: Maria b 6 Jan 1781 (sp. Thomas Bell & Susanna Miller)
4485: Stophel b; 17 Jan 1783 (sp. Lorentz Hilts & Barbara)
4486: Elisabeth Godf. b say 1784; m ca 1801 Christian Stickney
4487: Frederick b 10 Dec 1785 (sp. Fred. Schell & Anna Eva Miller)
4488: Margaret b 15 Dec 1787 (sp. Marcus Schell & Marg. Thum)
4489: Godfried b 23 Sep 1790 (sp. Fred Hilts & Elis. Thum)
4490: Catherine b 23 Sep 1790 (sp. Joh. McKoom & Cath. Drnbrger)
4491: George b 7 Aug 1793 (sp. George Hilts & Maria)
4492: Johannes b 19 Jan 1796 (bible rec.); m Magdalena Heise

Between the Hilts book and Early Families book, there is difference of one child. The Early Families list the child born in 1781 as Maria and the Hilts book listed her as Elizabeth. Also, the Early Families has an additional child born 1784 as Elisabeth.   

However, the Hilts book has Elisabeth (1781) marrying Christian Stickley Jr and they had seven daughters and two sons, while the Early Families has Elizabeth (1784) also marrying Christian Stickney with no further information.

Was there two daughters or one daughter? I have a feeling that in the Early Families, that Maria and Elisabeth are actually one and the same.  There is a footnote on the bottom of page 10 of the Hilts book that states “Researchers looking at the records at Fonda, New York, will find that Rev. Rosencrantz in copying interchanged the mother’s and daughter’s names.” Thus Maria was probably the mother’s name listed in the wrong spot. Plus you will notice that all the children listed except Elisabeth have who their sponsors where (Johannes record came from a bible since per the authors of the Hilts Book “There is a lapse in the church register from early 1795 to 1811.”) I also am unsure with the 1784 estimated birth year came from that was listed in the Early Families book.

Final Note: Ancestry.com has both the Compendium of Early Mohawk Valley Families and Early Families of Herkimer County, New York in their database. 


Tuesday, January 29, 2019

Godfrey Hilts and his Canadian Descendants


I have been told about this book and was thrilled when I found a copy at the Salt Lake City Family History Library several years ago. This book was compiled by Charlotte Hilts Steele and Harry Doner and assisted by Many Others.

I hope to write many blog posts using the information found in this book and hopefully find some documents to support the facts reported in this book.

But first a little about the compilers of this book.

Charlotte Hilts was born Aug 15, 1908 in North Dakota the daughter of William Henry S Hilts and Isabell Jane Anderson. On December 24, 1938 in Multnomah, Oregon she married Oscar C Steele who born Jul 24, 1899 in Oregon, the son of Wellington R Steele and Emma Effenhes. Oscar died on Feb 11, 1988 and is buried in Twin Oaks Memorial Gardens located in Albany, Linn County, Oregon. Charlotte died shortly after on Feb 22, 1988 and buried by his side.

Sources:
  • Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 (Ancestry.com); Certificate: 88-03526 Charlotte Hilts Steele
  • Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 (Ancestry.com); Certificate: 88-02865 Oscar Wellington Steele
  • Oregon, Marriage Indexes, 1906-2009 (Ancestry.com); Oscar C Steele and Charlotte S Hilts
  • Oregon, County Marriage Records, 1851-1975 (Ancestry.com); W D Steele and Emma Effenhes FHL #001838393
  • Memorial ID 96782356 (findagrave.com) Charlotte H Steele
  • Memorial ID 96782355 (findagrave.com) Oscar W Steele


Harry Doner was born Jan 28, 1895 in Simcoe, Ontario, Canada. He was the son of Samuel Doner and Louisa Huth. He also co-authored the book “The Doners in Canada 1806-1974”. He married Dorothea Swanson who was born 1898 and died in 1945. Harry died in 1982. Both are buried in Stayner, Simcoe County, Ontairo, Canada.

Sources:
  • Ontario, Canada Births, 1858-1913 (Ancestry.com); Harry Doner
  • Memorial ID 128979497 (findagrave.com) Harry Doner
  • Memorial ID 125397956 (findagrave.com) Dorothea Swanson Doner



Sunday, July 24, 2016

Pioneer Ancestor Found via Family Search

I received an email today that stated “Charlene, we've found pioneers in your family tree”. Really this looks interesting. So I open the email to find:

Interesting, I think, but who is Andrew McCombs? I have never heard of him, of course I have to follow the link and click the big blue button above labelled “See My Pioneer Ancestors”. The link takes me to FamilySearch where I have to log into my account and now I am on the Pioneer Ancestor’s page.

Now I have two options, I want to view my relationship, so I follow that link.
And here lies the problem. Andrew McCombs is not my ancestor, well not my direct ancestor anyway. He at most is a distance cousin.  Why are the genealogy giants such as Family Search and Ancestry calling distant relations our Ancestors?  When I look up the definition of Ancestor I get the following: a person, typically one more remote than a grandparent, from whom one is descended. I don’t descend from Andrew then why do they get my hopes up and call him my Ancestor?

The second problem is the tree branch for my side (left) starting with Godfrey Hilts, I don’t have Godfrey as Lorentz Hiltz father but another Lorentz. This is the problem with a “shared” tree, anyone can make assumptions and changes. Therefore I click on Godfrey and see what sources were used for his record. When I click on Godfrey I do see that he has alternate names and a few are Lorentz plus Godfrey’s wife is what I have for Lorentz.

Wow, look at all the changes that FamilySearch is doing? Because you know they have to be the expert in my family, right? 

The reason given by FamilySearch – Engineer … was TF-907 Restore/Delete Cleanup. Oh, now that is clear as mud. However, no reason was given for the Alternate Name added by Family Search.

Now I do want to say that the Hilts/Hiltz/Heils family is very confusing. Especially with the entire last name variations but also because of all the familiar/common given names used in this family. I can’t say this is the only family such things have occurred, because heck I have other branches with similar problems. However I do want to say, that when a family that is large and uses the same given names in many branches, that it is not uncommon to find two people with the same name perhaps even born in the same year. This doesn’t though make them the same person. After doing a little more research in reviewing all the changes, I do see that someone merged a Godfrey to my Lorentz.

This frustrates me too much to deal with this mess. I could spend days, even weeks trying to clear up this mess. Heck I have done that in the past, but no more. I don’t have time to clear up this mess only to have someone come behind me and undo everything I just fixed.


This example just confirms why I do my tree on my computer with my genealogy software program. I can look at my sources and see why I have my tree the way I do. I can share my tree with other’s on other websites such as Ancestry and know that no one can undo what I have done. FamilySearch's idea of a “shared” tree is noble and I understand the logic behind the tree, but unfortunately, too many chefs spoiled the soup. Especially when they don't know what they are doing.

Tuesday, March 15, 2016

Some of my AncestryDNA Results

It’s been a while since I have posted anything on my Hilts/Hiltz side of the family. Basically because I have been busy sorting through all my DNA matches.  Since some of these matches are from my Hilts/Hiltz side of the family I thought I would share my results.

None of my matches actually share a “shaky leaf” which means there are no Shared Ancestor Hints. The main reason is that I and my matches don’t always record the Hilts/Hiltz ancestor name exactly the same. I found these matches by “searching matches” and typing in the surname of Hilts.

Here is what I have:

First of all, I expected to see as my matches, my two sisters and my brother, along with my two nephews. I understand if one nephew doesn’t show up, because perhaps he never used the Hilts spelling in his tree. However, my siblings and I are all tied to the exact same tree, since I administer all three of their tests. I first verified that we are indeed tied to the same tree which I labelled “My DNA Tree” because this is a striped down version of my tree, with no pictures, and only includes our direct ancestors and their children. I guess this is a question for Ancestry.

Otherwise, my closest match is a 4th Cousin (possible range: 4th-5th cousins) for C.H. (administered by lpowell61). This match happened to be a known match.  Our closest ancestor is Lawrence Hilts and his wife Nancy. This couple is both of our’s 3rd great grandparents.

My brother not only matches C.H. as a 4th cousin but also ronjanhome. This match also matches Lawrence Hilts and his wife Nancy. This couple is only ronjanhome’s 2nd great grandparents and thus we are 3rd cousins 1x removed.

One of my sisters not only matches ronjanhome as a 4th cousins but also matches crstearns3. However, our common ancestor with this match goes back two more generations to Lorentz Hiltz and his wife Barbara. Our common ancestor is our 5th great grandparents and that makes us 6th cousins. My sister must share a lot of DNA with this person to have it show up as a much closer match.

Finally my other sister not only matches ronjanhome as a 4th cousin but also matches rrothcpa. His tree however is “locked” and thus I can’t actually see how we are related. However if I check our “Shared matches”, Q.K. (administered by contentedjoy1) and teechelle24 show up as 4th cousin matches.

When I check out Q.K.’s tree, I do not find any Hilts branches. Perhaps this person hasn’t research their tree back far enough.  When I quickly view the surnames in her tree, none jump out as familiar. Perhaps she descends through a female Hilts and the name quickly changes from Hilts.

While teechelle24 does not have her results tied to an actual tree, when I view the results, she does have a tree tied to her account. However, in the three generations that are listed, all the names are private with the exception of her grandfather James Robbins and that name is not familiar with me yet.


When I selected “Shared Matches” for all the other 4th cousin matches, no new names appear.  I do have more “Distant Cousin” matches, but I will save those for another day.

Friday, March 8, 2013

Edith (Hilts) Miller

I received an email yesterday from my cousin who maintains the Hilts and Hiltz

Cousin Website through MyFamily.com.
She stated that she “found a Family Group sheet on Edith Hilts for a different Miller than the David Miller she had. I do see that a different Miller man was listed in an perhaps obituary, and so there is the issue, which of the men she was married to, only one, or to both of them.”

The Edith Hilts in question is the daughter of Julius Benson Hilts and Susan Catherine Doyle.
Background information: Julius was born Jun 1855 in New York, son of Lawrence Hilts Jr and Nancy. Susan was born in 1865 in Canton, Lewis, Missouri the daughter of Peter and Barbara Doyle.

They had 10 children and as the 1910 Census states, 9 children living. Known children are Estelle (Everett Stewart), Grover Cleveland (aka Stanley Uriah), Beulah (Frank Miltenberg), Edith (our subject), Maude (Walter Eutsler), Mabel (Unknown Salisbury), Carl, Florence (Malcolm Woods) and Julius Jr.
My cousin showed Edith (b. April 1891 in Canton, Lewis, Missouri) being married to David Miller (b. 1883 in Canton, Lewis, Missouri). She listed six children as follows: Norman Lee (b. 1908 Illinois), Marion Catherine (b. 1910 CA), Daniel and David (twins b. 1911 CA), Franklin (b. 1913 CA) and Thelma (b. 1915 CA).

What I found:
Obituary for Edith Hilts Miller listing only one child Thelma Ripple and siblings, Beulah Miltenberg, Betty Salisbury, Margaret Woods, Maude Eutsler and Carol Hilts along with grandson Rodney and granddaughter Diana Heintz plus 2 great grandchildren. (This matches our Edith Hilts).

In 1910 US Census, David 35 and wife Edith 19 who have been married 3 years, is living with Edith’s sister Estelle and her husband Everett. (This matches our known facts).
In 1920 US Census, Edith (26) is living with husband Albert (35) and daughter Selma (4) and Edith’s sister Beulah Hennegin. (Question: Is Albert and David the same man?)

in 1930 US Census, Edith (35) with husband Albert (45) with daughter Thelma (14). It also states that Albert’s age at first marriage was 39 (6 years ago) and Edith’s was 20 (15 years ago). Thus their first marriages were not with each other.
Also in 1930 US Census, David (57) is married to Alta (36) and David’s two children Catherine and Daniel are living with them along with Alta’s two children. It also states that David was 33 at first marriage (24 years ago) and Wife was 17 (19 years ago) and thus their first marriages were not with each other.

Conclusion: David’s age at first marriage matches closely to what the 1910 census states. It appears that Edith is fudging her age by four years and her age at first marriage by four years.
In 1940, Albert (56) and Edith (46) are living with grandson Rodney Joseph Grant (6) in CA.

I found birth certificate transcriptions online for Norman, Marion Catherine, David and Daniel listing either David Miller and Edith Hilts as parents or mother’s maiden name as Hilts.
I don’t find anything on Franklin.

At first overview, it appears that Edith did marry to different Miller Men, first David and then Albert. I found Albert’s obituary listing Edith as his wife and Thelma Ripple as his daughter. I need to further investigate this family.

However, at this time, I am still working on cleaning up my files and thus I will print these notes out for another day of investigation.

 

 

Monday, January 14, 2013

Cleaning up files

One of my genealogy goals is to go through the stacks of paper that is under my desk. Today I happen to be sorting through some of my Hilts/Hiltz relatives. I have a lot of newspaper clippings that came from my grandmothers scrapbook. Years ago I photocopy her scrapbook and cut out the articles and sorted them by family. Now that I have many more names than when I made the copies, these people are easier to sort. Plus with so much more available online, I am able to figure which family they may belong too.

So today as I sub divided them down, I have made new pages of these clippings. I scan them on one side of the page and put the image into word. Then I explain who these people are on the other half of the page. This comes in handy with those social clippings that tell who is visiting who. I printed out the page and file it with the correct family and then threw those little scraps away. Now my notes are on a standard size 8x11 sheet of paper.

It may seem boring, but I am finding some new facts and that is always fun and rewarding.

Thursday, December 6, 2012

More on Eliza J Hilts

In my previous post I talked about the website that I found a wealth of Eliza J Hilts information, it lead me to the author/webmaster who directed me to an e-book he did on his Handy Ancestors. Through this site I was able to get little more information on the descendants of Eliza J Hilts. Again no documentation but names are a gold mine too.

I took one of the names, Edda Handy, granddaughter of Eliza through her only son, Milton and his wife Marie. Doing reverse genealogy can be tricky. I find that I sometimes have to print out lots of census pages and then figure out which one is my person. This is why I like Ancestry.com, I like when they give me suggestions, keep in mind these are only suggestions and some don't always pan out, but when they do. YAHOO!

So how do I do my reverse genealogy, I try to find Edda with her known parents and then see if I find any suggestions. If I find suggestions, I start looking at them. Especially for females it can be challenging because names change. I found Edda as a Warren and how do I know this might be the correct Edda, because living with her in 1940 was her Mother Marie Handy. That is all I need to confirm that this is most likely my Edda and now I have two children, Charles F and Masie Jeanett or Marie J.  I have a lot more research to do on Eliza's descendants, but this at least keeps the fire going.


Monday, August 27, 2012

Eliza J Hilts

Today while searching for documentation for the Marriage of my Lawrence Hilts and his wife Nancy I came across a webpage http://www.samsgenealogy.com/index.html  (Handy Ancestors, Descendants, & Related Families) with his oldest known daughter Eliza Hilts who married Chauncey Charles Handy . This website had information that I didn't have. Even though I don't have any sources, I added the information to my tree making sure I sourced this webpage. This way I know this is someone elses work and when I find time, I should try to get supporting documentation for this information.

This is why I wish people would include their sources, because then I can review what they looked at, without having to start from scratch and find sources to prove this. However, I have heard that some genealogist don't include sources so that people who want to know more must contact them directly. This way they can find out if you are related and how and have you as a resource if they need it. This can be a smart way too, but then perhaps they should have a statement such as "Sources available upon request."

I personally, don't want to slow down anyone's research efforts for them to have to wait until I reply to their email. There are many times, when I am traveling that I don't check my email, I don't want to check my email or I don't have access to my email. For example, when I went to Peru, until I made it back to the hotel, I didn't have internet access and I only had it because I brought my iPAD along. I wasn't going to bring my laptop because it was too heavy to lug around.

When I was on a cruise this past spring, I didn't check my email because I was too cheap to pay the price for internet access. Plus it was vacation, I had my laptop only to download my pictures from my camera, so that I would have more space available to take more pictures.

Back on track... If you want to collaborate with cousins, you need to get your trees out there. I do want to thank the author of the Handy Ancestors... website for taking the time to publish it on the web. It was put out there in 2008 and four years later a distant relative (me) found it.

I publish/share my tree with Ancestry.com. I do keep my tree private so that people have to contact me to get to view the tree. However, they can match to my tree, it is not totally private. I always ask how they are related to the person they are inquirying about and if I can match them, they have access. If I can't match them, I give them a brief report about the person they are inquirying about.

One final note: don't be a taker without being a giver too. If you take from someone's tree, their information (don't forget to give them credit by sourcing it) perhaps you should give your information so they can update their tree. This way both trees grow into something bigger and more beautiful.

Good Luck in your Genealogy research!

Friday, August 24, 2012

Andrew Spring (1779-1852)

I have been trying to figure out who the spouse of Margret Hilts (1782-1818) daughter of Christopel Hilts b: 1738).

I have conflicting information on her. I was given that her husband is Philip Sternberg and they had two children: Catherine (b: 1808) and Christina Maria (b: 1817).

I was also given that her husband was Andrew Spring (b: 1779 Rowan, NC, USA d: 1852 York, Onatrio, Canada).

First of all, besides user submitted trees on Ancestry.com, I can't prove either relationship.

I can't really find Philip Sternberg at all through Ancestry.com or findagrave.com.

However, this is what I found on Andrew: He is the sone of Albright and Barbara Spring according to the Canadian Immigrant Records, Part Two (Berczy Papers) found on Ancestry.com.

I found an 15 Nov 1836 Ontario, Canada marriage between an Andrew Sping and Anne Nibls. If this is my Andrew Spring it would make him  57 years old at the time of marriage.

Finally, I found an 1851 Census of Canada West (Ontario) listing Andrew Spring, male, age 73 (est birth 1779) born in US, living in York County, District # 42; sub-district: East Gwillimbury; Sub District #: 406.

He is living with Samuel Spring age 23 (son) and son's wife Mary Ann Spring age 23 and another son John Spring age 22.

Based on this, it makes Andrew 50 years old when his son Samuel was born and 51 when John was born, therefore, if Anne Nibls is his wife, it would be a later marriage. However, I was given that Andrew wife Margaret Hilts was born 1780 and died 1855. If Margaret didn't die until 1855, why is she not living with her husband and sons? Perhaps she actually died in 1835 if he did remarry in 1836.

Based on all this information, I am just as confused as when I started. When I go back to the person who gave me this information, she claims it is correct because of all the user submitted trees that have this information. However, when I contacted those users, those that replied (which was alot of them), stated that they copied it from another user submitted tree. I wasn't able to get the information from the orginial user. Also, my person stated that she was listed on the 1855 census, but I can't find her.

Moral of this story: People should not copy into their trees, information that they haven't proven. Or at least include their sources and list whose tree you copied it from. I add it into my tree showing the source and then I can sort out those sources as those that I need to prove when I find more time. Another idea, mark it as speculation based on a user submitted tree and try to contact the submitter of the tree if they don't list any sources. If they did list sources, track them down and analyis that information.

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

New Finds

I just got back from my vacation in Wisconsin where I was able to do some genealogy research. I was working on obtaining birth, marriage and death certificates for my DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) application. My Hiltz ancestor is my patriot.

I had come across a birth index several months ago that listed an un-named male child born to my great-great grandparents. Since I had not been able to find my great-grandfather's birth certificate I decided this was worth looking into, just in case I had the birth way off.
 
The certificate was in the county courthouse located in my Wisconsin hometown of Fond du Lac. I looked up the birth and the parents were my great-great grandparents. This un-named child was new information to me. It listed the the name of the other issue living as Chas O; Mabel O. Chas O is my great-grandfather, so now I at least have a connection from him to his parents with his known sister. My great-grandfather was known by many names, Obie Charles, Orville Charles and now Charles O which could stand for Obie or Orville. His sister Mabel has always been known to me as Mabel so this information helps to confirm known information that I had.

I continued my search to see if I could find a death certificate for the child, but none was found. Since registrations of birth, marriage and deaths was not required until 1907, and his death probably happens before then, thus I am not surprised that a death certificate was not found. Or perhaps it is in the next county, since the town is split between two counties.

I know that my great-great grandfather Seymour Hiltz left the family or his wife Wilena Booth left him because of cruelty to the children. Perhaps the child died and caused strain on the marriage or perhaps he was rough on the little tyke and caused his death. These answers may never be found.

Another interesting find was my grandmother’s birth certificate.  I was always told that her name was Katherine Orlien Hiltz and my mother’s name is Orlien and I named my oldest child, Katherine Orlien after both of them. My grandmother’s birth certificate listed her name as Katherine Arlena Hiltz. Her marriage certificate listed her name as Katherine O Hiltz. I wonder how her middle name got changed.

This makes me ponder on how birth certificates get created. What paperwork was filed out by the mother at the time of her child’s birth? Did the mother fill out paperwork or did a hospital official if she gave birth in a hospital? Was this a home birth and the doctor reported the birth? If the mother didn’t fill out paperwork, and verbally told someone the name, did they guess on how the name was spelled? Lots of questions come up on paperwork.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Been Busy

I haven’t posted a blog on this website in a while. The main problem, I have been too busy doing too many other things. I have found some time to do genealogy, just haven’t found time to work on my Hiltz line.

I spent a week in Disneyland with my hubby, 14 year old daughter and her friend, and my 4 year old granddaughter. It was a lot of fun, but sure cost a lot too.

I will be teaching a beginning genealogy class on Monday and Tuesday morning from 8:30am to 12:20pm. I am very excited about teaching it. I taught this class once last semester and I have refined my class, just a little.

Monday, December 19, 2011

So Many Conrad Folts

I had decided to do a search on the youngest daughter for Christofel HÜLS' which Maria Catharina Hilts (b. abt 1725) and her husband Conrad Folts. I already had the marriage date of 16 June 1767 from our private website.

I went to Ancestry.com and typed in Conrad Folts born 1719. Under the database titled "Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of Stone Arabia: in the town of Palatine, Mongomery County, N.Y." I saw a pictured of a transcribed marriage index, labeled "Vol 1. Marriages, Oct 16, 1739 to 1795" and the marriage is listed under 1767, d. 16, Juny Conrad Foltz und Maria Catharina Hieltz. I figured this must be the source that was used for the website and I recorded this in my database. (Note: this makes Maria age 42 at the time of Marriage).

Next I found four birth records listing Conrad Foltz as the father but with two different women as the wife. So I first recorded the two births that occurred after the 1767 marriage.

1768                        Parentes                     Infantes                         Susceptores
N. d. 12n April   Conrad Foltz             Anna Margretha            Christian Riegel und
B. d. 17, April     und Maria Cathrin.                                          Anna Margretha
    source: Vol 1. Baptisms and Births, page 84

1770
N. d. ** Juny      Conrad Foltz und       Jacob                             Jacob Petrj und
B. d. ** July        Maria Catharina                                              Maria Hils
    source: Vol 1. baptisms and births, page 100

Next I recorded the two births that occurred before the 1767 marriage as Conrad being married prior to Maria Catharina Hilts

1760
N. d.                    Conrad Foltz               Conrad                          Peter Foltz
B. d. 7tn Augt.     und Anna Catharina                                         und Elisabeth
    source: Vol 1. Baptisms and Births, page 21

1765
N. d. 3n Augt.       Conrad Foltz              Jacobus                       Daniel Petri und
B. d. 7n Augt.        und Anna Catharina                                      Elisabetha

I have noticed that Conrad Foltz is a common name. Therefore, the two Conrad's might be the same or two different indivduals. Also, if they are the same Conrad, why did he name two of his son's Jacob? Did the first one pass away or do one of the children go by another name, such as middle name?

I also have five other Conrad Folts listed in the Hilts and Hiltz database as follows:

Conard Folts son of Jacob Folts (d: 1822) and Catharina Hayes (b. 1779). Conrad married Magdalena Schell. This Marriage appears to be an unrelated branch to the  Hilts/Hiltz family.

Conard P Folts husband of Maria Catharina Hilts (1750-1834) granddaughter of Christofel Hüls. NOTE: This Conrad and this Maria could be the person's in the 1767 marriage record and the two birth records. This Maria would be only 17 when the marriage occurred while the other Maria would be 42 at the time of the marriage.

Conrad Folts father of Anna Margaret Folts (d. 1832) wife of Marcus Hilts (b. abt 1774) great-grandson of Christofel Hüls. Could this Anna Margaret Folts be the same Anna Margretha listed in the 1768 Baptism and Birth record? It would make Anna 64 years old at the time of her death.

Conrad Folts, father of Petri C Folts and grandfather of Bejamin Folts (1807-abt 1870) another unrelated branch to the Hilts/Hiltz Family.

Conrad Folts (1784-1850) married to Susanna Cole (1784-1850) another unrelated branch to the Hilts/Hiltz Family.

Therefore, my conclusions: I am uncomfortable attaching the marriage record of Conrad Foltz and Anna Catharina Hieltz to the daughter of Christofel Hüls and thus uncomfortable attaching the two birth records to the same daughter. At first glance, this marriage and these births have a better fit to the granddaughter of Christofel Hüls through his son Christofel Hilts. At this point, need to see actual records, not just transcribed records to see if any more information can be gleaned from the records, such as parents names of the bride and groom.

If anyone else is researching this branch, please feel free to contact me or list any of your finding in the comment area below.

Thank you,





Thursday, December 15, 2011

3 generation Outline Descendant Report

The first three generations from our common ancestor:

Outline Descendant Report for Christofel Hüls
1 Christofel HÜLS b: Bet. 1670–1680, d: Aft. 1757

...... + Eva Catherina ENGEL m: Bef. 1698, d: Aft. 1725

............2 Theobald or Debald "David" HILTS b: Abt. 1698, d: Bef. Oct 1769

............  + Anna EVA d: Aft. 1745

..................3 Maria Magdalena HILTS b: 1731

..................  + Adam Joh. SCHAEFFER b: 09 May 1724, m: 11 Apr 1749, d: 08 Nov 1800

..................3 Anna Dorthea HILTS b: 01 Feb 1735, d: Aft. 19 Apr 1775

..................  + Johannes WARNER m: 26 Sep 1758

..................3 Johan Jurriaen "George" HILTS b: 06 May 1737, d: 08 Nov 1815

..................  + Elisabeth BELLINGER b: 15 Aug 1741, m: 23 Jan 1759, d: Aft. Aug 1808

..................3 Christopel HILTS b: 1738

..................  + Maria BORST b: Bet. 1735–1759, m: 10 Oct 1773, d: Aft. 1789

..................3 Catharina Elisabeth HILTS b: 24 Nov 1740

..................3 Elisabeth HILTS b: 1742

..................  + Johannes H. SCHNEIDER b:, m: Oct 1769

............2 Simon Jacob HILTS b: Abt. 1700, d: Aft. 1757

............  + ANNA

..................3 Anna Elisabeth HILTS b: 1727, d: 24 Oct 1808

..................  + Andreas "Andrew" MCKOOMS m: 13 Feb 1765

..................  + Thomas BELL m: Abt. 1745, d: Aft. 1760

..................3 Jacob HILTS b: Abt. 1737

..................3 John HILTS b: Abt. 1742

..................3 Sarah HILTS b: 1743, d: 03 Jan 1802

..................  + Adam SMITH b: 29 Sep 1740, m: 04 Dec 1764, d: 21 Jan 1824

..................3 Catherine HILTS b: 1746, d: 31 Dec 1837

..................  + John CRISTMAN b: Abt. 1752, m: 27 Sep 1780, d: Bet. 1823–Dec 1837

..................3 George Jacob HILTS b: Abt. 1748, d: Aft. 1781

..................  + CATHERINE m: Abt. 1748, d: Aft. 1781

............2 Hans Leonardt HILTS b: Abt. 1706

............2 Eva Catherine HILTS b: Abt. 1706

............2 Maria Margaretha HILTS b: Abt. 1708

............2 Christofel HILTS b: Bet. 1710–1720, d: Jan 1769

..................3 Eva HILTS b: Abt. 1737

..................3 Elisabetha HILTS b: Abt. 1741

..................  + Frederick DORNBERGER m: 07 Apr 1760

..................3 Catharina HILTS b: 1743, d: Aft. 25 May 1809

..................  + Johann Nicholas KILTS b: 30 May 1732, m: 02 Sep 1760, d: 15 Dec 1808

..................3 Godfrid HILTS b: Abt. 1744, d: 1835

..................3 Lorentz HILTZ b: Bet. 1745–1750, d: Nov 1836

..................  + Maria Catharina MILLER b: 25 Feb 1760, m: Bef. 1776, d: Aft. 13 Sep 1778

..................  + BARBARA b:, m: Bef. 1780, d: 1833

..................3 Maria Catharina HILTS b: 1750, d: Dec 1834

..................  + Conard P. FOLTS

..................3 son HILTS b: Abt. 1752

..................3 Frederick Christofel HILTS b: Abt. 1756

..................  + Juliana MEYER m: 1792

..................3 Joseph HILTS b: 1760

............2 Johann George HILTS b: Abt. 1711, d: Bef. 1790

............  + Maria Elisabeth FELLER b: 26 Jul 1712, m: Abt. 1733, d: Bef. 1790

..................3 Johann Nicolaus HILTS b: 15 Mar 1733, d: 15 Dec 1809

..................  + Elisabetha FOX b: Abt. 1743, m: 15 Apr 1760, d: Bef. 1809

..................3 Maria Eva HILTS b: Abt. 1736

..................  + Jost PETRIE Jr.
..................3 Catharina HILTS b: Abt. 1738
..................  + Johann Thomas FULMER b: Abt. 1730, m: Abt. 1761
..................3 Sabina HILTS b: Abt. 1740, d: Bef. 1773
..................  + Johan Frederick HELMER b: Bet. 1730–1740, m: Bef. 1760, d: 06 Aug 1777
..................3 Maria Magdalena HILTS b: Abt. 1742, d: 10 May 1779
..................  + Johann Henrich WITHERSTINE b: 1722, m: 17 Jun 1766
..................3 Johnannes George HILTS b: 1743, d: 03 Nov 1820, d: 03 Nov 1820
..................  + Maria MYERS b: 1743, m: 10 May 1785, m: 10 May 1785, d: 16 Apr 1830
..................3 George HILTS b: 1744, d: 14 Feb 1813
..................  + MARGARET d: Aft. May 1809
..................  + Elisabeth Catharina FOLTS b: Abt. 1748, m: 01 Mar 1769, d: Bef. May 1809
..................3 Elisabeth HILTS b: 17 Feb 1745, d: 11 Feb 1828
..................  + Melchior THUMM b: 1745, m: Abt. 1770, d: 23 Apr 1804
............2 Maria Engel HILTS b: Abt. 1714, d: Aft. 25 Nov 1738
............2 Adam HILTS b: Abt. 1722
............2 Maria Catharina HILTS b: Abt. 1725
............  + Conrad FOLTS b: 1719, m: 16 Jun 1767

As always, if you match to any of these people and you are not currently a member of the private MyFamily.com "Hilts and Hiltz Cousin" Website, please contact me so we can share information.